Pope Francis has not participated in the communications between the Government and the Holy See on the exhumation of the remains of the dictator Francisco Franco from the Valley of the Fallen, a decision on which the pontiff says he has no opinion.
"I have no opinion", is the only answer that Jorge Bergoglio has given when asked about this question in an interview granted to the "Salvados" program of La Sexta.
Nor has he given more detail on the communications that have been maintained by the Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, and the Spanish government: "There was something but I did not get involved in that," he answered.
What it has defended is "the right to the truth about what happens, the right to a dignified burial, to find the corpses", a right that belongs to the family and society because "a society can not smile at the future having their dead hidden. "
The pope has dedicated much of the interview to the drama of immigration, censuring "the insensitivity or injustice" that a person who migrates in search of a better life will "close the door".
And while countries such as Lebanon or Jordan host millions of refugees, "Mother Europe became too grandmother, she got old all at once"; although the most serious problem, in his opinion, is that he has already forgotten "when his children were going to knock on the doors of America".
He also criticized that the boat of the NGO Proactiva Open Arms is paralyzed in Barcelona. "Why is it done, so that they drown?", Has criticized.
In the same way, methods such as the concertinas used in the fence of Melilla also cause "pain".
"But the unconsciousness is such that it seems the most natural, we have become accustomed to this, the world forgot to cry, this is the most inhuman thing there is, this shows how far a person's inhumanity can descend," he has censored with one of these blades in the hands.
Bergoglio wanted to warn that anti-immigration discourses based on fear are "a story that is repeated" because it is this feeling "is the material on which dictatorships are built".
On the other hand, the pontiff says he feels "sorry" because Spain sells arms to Saudi Arabia, although "it is not the only government".
"They have no right to talk about peace, they are fomenting war in another country and they want peace in their own", but this is like "the boomerang theory", he warned.
Asked about the role of the Holy See in the conflict in Venezuela, he recalled that he "officially" mediated with the group created for that purpose and then there were "communications from the secretary of state, after discrete, unofficial mediations, bridges that have helped a little bit. but it is not finished solving ".
On his opinion of Nicolás Maduro, Francisco has said it is difficult to "get one" in the two meetings he has had with the Venezuelan president "before the thing got much worse", but in the forty minutes that lasted his first and the half an hour that lasted the second saw him "very convinced of his."
Meanwhile, the one he held with Trump, a "person who has his project and his plan," was a "very protocolar and very short visit," said Bergoglio, who added that if he had to choose between having a coffee with Maduro or with the American president, he would do it "with the two."