Kevin Costner: "Good information is the hardest thing to achieve in a democracy" | TV

The characters of Kevin Costner they usually fall into three categories: American hero with a cowboy hat, with a baseball cap or with a law enforcement officer's fedora. Final ambush, Netflix debuts today, belongs to the last one. In it he plays the Texas Ranger Frank Hamer, the retired gunman who, after years of police persecution, entrusts the hunt and capture of Bonnie and Clyde, the glorified bandits of the Great Depression, murderers of 13 people, most of them policemen. The film seeks to dismantle the myth of the unforgettable Bonnie and Clyde by Arthur Penn (1967). He wants to make it clear that the bad guys were the couple of inhuman sociopaths (double underlined: their faces barely appear in the 2 hours and 12 minutes of footage) and the good ones, the tough cops who lurked them with cleverness for three months and ended up doing them what they considered necessary, in this case, 50 rounds of shots.

Question. Do you like the original movie?

Answer. I saw her at 13 or 14 years old and she fascinated me, but she was too glamorous. Bonnie and Clyde were on the run to save their skin, they lived in their car, everything was unhygienic ... And it made a terrible mistake: my character, Frank Hamer, a hero, appears as a clown. In fact, his wife sued Warner Brothers for it.

P. Bonnie and Clyde captured the countercultural spirit of the sixties. What current fiber touches Final ambush, a story of hypermasculine figures that return to action to bring order with a strong hand?

R. They did not walk around with nonsense. The others had a lot of guns, so they got a lot of guns. They worked their way. They were not talking much, they were hunters of men. Hamer killed ten times more people than Bonnie and Clyde but he was an honorable and brave guy. Very heroic in many ways.

P. And brutal.

R. Yes, maybe, but fire must be fought with fire. The Texas Rangers entered alone in towns with corrupt forces of the order, many were assassinated to face, not only to gangsters, also to the great oil companies.

P. This return of the angry man who arranges things in his way we are seeing a lot in politics. Do not Trump or Bolsonaro appropriate this story of strong men who want to restore order "without nonsense"?

R. I do not think they are necessarily strong. The idea is that you can not take control of a democracy. What you can do is try to lead by example, with moral status. The best idea is the one that survives. I do not think it is sent with fear. It does not lead with brutality. I do not see them as strong men.

Trailer of the movie 'Ambush final'.

P. In his filmography the quintessentially American epic abounds: the West, sport, law, justice, freedom, individualism, is that image maintained by trumpism?

R. America is still standing. He was chosen and represents an option. There are many people very, very happy, and many others very, very upset.

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Now we would have caught Bonnie and Clyde in an hour. You do not realize how primitive it was. We did not have laws that told you how to drive. People believe that there were always laws, but there were no signs of stop ...

P. The film talks two policemen with the easy trigger on the border with Mexico and it opens in the era of police brutality, of the wall ... do not you think it contains a political comment?

R. No way. I think it shows how simple America was. Now we would have caught Bonnie and Clyde in an hour. You do not realize how primitive it was. We did not have laws that told you how to drive. People believe that there were always laws, but there were no signs of stop ... There was no policy in that. The governor did play politics, but dirty work was always in the hands of the police. Of course, then everyone wanted to take the merits, but never blame.

P. Do you think there is still room for stories that explore the great American mythology without hardly questioning it?

R. America is more an idea than a myth.

P. What idea?

R. Look, I have my political beliefs, but I've already felt used to them. I believe above all that people need good information to make good decisions. It's the hardest thing to achieve in a democracy. The truth is obscured; the information, biased. It is sad that there are two intelligent politicians, and one says one thing, and the other, the opposite. Who lies? We are not Solomon. It's like when your children lie to you. You send them to their room, you tell them that they will come out when they tell the truth.

R. How do you get them to tell you?

P. I try to tell you about the important thing. Everyone feels bad about what happened. They love each other, but they have not been able to fix a problem. People tend to see problems only from their perspective. So when I educate my children I tell them: stop thinking about yourselves and start thinking about your brother who is in the same room.

Kevin is a spanish name

Frame of 'Dancing with Wolves'.
Frame of 'Dancing with Wolves'.

There is a graph in the Statistics National Institute that draws Kevin Costner's career. The Spanish children named Kevin (about 15,426) began to emerge in the mid-eighties (Silverado, The Untouchables of Elliot Ness) and shot up in the first ninety (Robin Hood, JFK, The bodyguard). The name went out of fashion in the 2000s (Thirteen days) but there it continued in the 2010 (Hidden figures). The peak of baptisms: between 1990 and 1991, year of Dancing with Wolves, directed and starred by the actor, seven Oscars, including best director and best film, although something will have to see that the child of the contemporary Home alone he will also be called Kevin.

With some 60 films in 35 career years, Kevin Costner has had critical and public successes (A perfect world) and catastrophes (Waterworld). From superstar to solid character actor. Is age as decisive as for actresses? "It's always been harder for women," says Costner impeccable at 64. "There are many wonderful roles for them, but the number is not comparable. I've heard many women complain about that, although I've also heard men ... I've been very lucky, maybe I have not worked as much as other actors in my category, but I took sabbaticals to be with my family, I did not even think about it, and I enjoyed it a lot. "


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