Íñigo Errejón, Madrid, 35, and leader of More Madrid, is convinced that in writing "you say things of the other that do not come out when you have it in front or on the phone." His grandfather was a mailman. He and Pablo Iglesias, co-founders of Podemos, broke by letter. He has been on the frontline for five years and in his first summer after the divorce he reveals a lesson learned: “I increasingly believe in the emotional, skin, and political component”.
Question. “Hegemony moves in tension between the irradiating core and the seduction of the lateral allied sectors. Statement-opening ”. What happened to him? Where did it hurt?
Answer. (Laughs) I was in Athens at a Syriza conference and it will be that in Athens it gives one to get intense.
P. Have you repeated it again?
R. I reaffirm: hegemony is an exercise between affirming ideas and having the capacity to reach an understanding with others who do not think exactly like you, but to whom you can propose a shared horizon. Of course, all that did not fit in a tweet. In writing I have escaped once more, but orally I cannot afford it because whoever hears me will die of laughter.
P. What lesson learned in his 10 years of boy scout would you recommend to Podemos and vice versa?
R. In the first, that cooperation goes further than competition, and that sometimes the roads are long and perseverance and patience are needed. From Podemos to scouts, that making a better society sometimes involves fighting, it is not enough to shake hands and desire it.
P. There is a meme that says: "Last PSOE offer to Iglesias: a vice presidency, three ministries and Bale". To you, who is from Madrid and was from Podemos, do you think it's fair?
R. If Bale were solved, he yielded it with a thousand loves (laughs). In Spanish politics you need a long look. Nobody is thinking in 10 years, but in the next news and so it is impossible to make any sacrifice because nothing is worth it if everything is merchandise that is spent quickly. That long look is the opposite of Twitter, fireworks and this permanent press conference regime in which we live. We have to stop telling ourselves what is going on all the time and see what we want to happen in the future.
P. Would you have accepted Sánchez's offer: a vice presidency and three ministries?
P. And More Country, how does it sound?
R. Sounds better to me More Madrid. Here we try a different Government and Citizens are portrayed choosing Vox when we had our hand out. That has made many people look at us, also in the rest of Spain, and I think that between two groups that did not agree, the rumor has been used that More Madrid was planning to jump into national politics to get scared. But negotiations based on fear do not work. Ministries are not watertight compartments; a relationship of trust must be built and, if it is not possible, they should assume other formulas to share a government action even without sharing Government. The policy based on the defeat of the other is worth one day. It has a lot to do with that confusion between virility and politics understood as a pulse. On Tuesday you bend your arm, but on Wednesday the other tries to do the same and you are helpless. It is a sterile policy.
P. Is it seen in a national project at some time?
R. Politics goes around a lot. I am in Más Madrid and I have time to build an organization. I feel like doing it right.
P. What has been your happiest moment in politics?
R. When we entered to govern the City of Madrid with Manuela Carmena, when I took possession of my seat …
P. The saddest was Vistalegre?
R. That was an ugly day, but also that of the repetition of the general elections (2016). And last Christmas was difficult for me when I assumed that I was in a place where I was not loved, that I had moved from what we founded and made the decision to open something bigger with Manuela.
P. What does that pathological division of the left attribute to?
R. To the almost congenital difficulty of reconciling principles with pragmatism to apply them. If you only have pragmatism, you can become a cynical, but if you only have moral convictions, you can become a fanatic. You have to realize that they will never be as beautiful as in your head, but a little more contradictory, halfway. And the left has traditionally believed that the truth is constituted and the one that departs a millimeter is a seller. He lives in a kind of permanent inquisition. As if what I most defined on the left is that the one next door is not.
P. In their campaign they promised "more sparrows and more children voicing." How did they plan to do it?
R. It was not so much a promise as a somewhat poetic way of saying something that for some is naive, but for me it is radical: we want a more human city. It is a bit ridiculous this alley in which we have gotten through which it seems that when a politician talks about what really matters: having time, taking care of ourselves, breathing better … it is as if it were a soft one and that what we have to To do is to go out very seriously with a tie to talk about state pacts.
P. Complete the sentence: I will never forgive you …
R. They just banned a concert from Luis Pastor (and his son Pedro). I will never forgive you that revenge spirit with which you have arrived at the Madrid City Council to undo and punish. It is a sad destiny.
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