The leader Podemos, Pablo Iglesias, has linked his political future to the result obtained in the general elections scheduled for 2020, a vote that will depend on many things, as he admits in the book 'Nudo España', which gathers his conversations with the journalist Enric Juliana.
In the book, which will go on sale on Wednesday, October 24 and will be presented on a tour of several Spanish cities, Iglesias and Juliana face two different visions of Spain in an 'extremely confusing' political moment, as Arpa Editores advances, It illustrates the text with a photograph of the two protagonists talking under the impressive dome of the Congress.
"I want to be a candidate and I will go to the primaries of Podemos, and the result will determine many things, if we win them, or if we are the first force, we will have to reach a government agreement, otherwise we will have to find another type of agreement, and there my political future will be defined, "Iglesias says in an excerpt from the book provided by the publisher.
The Transition and the regime of 78, the Monarchy, Catalonia, feminism, competition on the right and the role of the left are some issues that Iglesias reviews with some arguments that we have already heard.
For example, that there is never going to be a "one-party" government, that Pedro Sánchez "is aware that he needs to reach agreements" with Podemos to govern and that the next Executive will be a coalition, either of the purple with the PSOE or of Cs with the PP.
"I think the temptation of a tripartite de facto prorrégimen Ciudadanos-PSOE-PP is increasingly unfeasible, and this satisfies us because we have been able to push the situation towards a scenario that interests us," he says.
And he says that Sanchez knows that he is committed to a "co-government scenario", which is why "he will want to prolong the situation as long as he can be president of a government that has been able to decide one hundred percent" and, consequently, will want to negotiate with We can a social program.
Iglesias also talks about the feasibility of imitating the Portuguese model in Spain with an alliance of progressive forces and points out several caveats.
Explains that the "Portuguese political class has a sophistication that lacks" the Spanish, that they do not have to worry about the territorial issue that in Spain is "decisive" even for the strategy of the right, and that the Portuguese Socialist Party of the first Minister, Antonio Costa, has much more weight: a 30 percent of votes against the 10 percent of his allies.
Despite these differences, Iglesias points to the goal after the regional and municipal elections in May to begin "normalizing a way of government through the formula of coalition in municipalities and autonomous communities in the Portuguese style," and build a "model of governance without paragon on the continent. "
In addition to extolling the management of municipalities where they govern, such as Madrid and Barcelona, the leader of Podemos argues that the "guarantee that there will always be a certain stability in Spain is the multi-party system that already dominates politics".
A characteristic that is reflected in the same budget debate, which forces us to agree not only to the PSOE and Unidos Podemos, but also to forces such as the PDeCAT, which is more conservative in fiscal matters, to ERC, and to the PNV, a party that defines as "Basque Christian democracy enemy of the experiments".
"I think Brussels has reasons to be more concerned about other countries than ours," he adds.
Regarding the Catalan conflict he sees it as a "cryogenized" problem, "a kind of stone guest that crosses everything", which is blocked by the clash of strategies between the Generalitat and the State; a situation in which it considers that "the excess of judicialization could be ominous".
He predicts that the Catalan question will continue to determine Spanish policy and warns that "it could have terrible consequences" because it could mean that budgets did not go ahead and even lead to a PP and Cs government.
Of the resignation of the ex-leader of 'the commons' Xavier Domènech, Iglesias confesses that "if you force" a historian like him "to invest a good deal of time to manage things that do not motivate or like you, you are moving away from their concerns intellectuals and his family "; and he sees "human and normal" saying that he is not worthy and that "it is not his great passion".
The general secretary of Podemos also makes some personal confessions after knowing first hand how priorities change as a parent: "We all have to learn not to place anyone in a place that causes their lives to fall apart".
"Before I had two children, I was thinking about what I wanted to do after politics, now I basically want to raise them and take care of them, and the rest is secondary," she says.
He concludes: "I think I would not mind having more children, I am very excessive in all the decisions I make, I was excessive in my singleness, I do not have a dog, I have three, I suppose that excess will also be seen when it comes to building a family, but I believe that my political future will be determined by the next general election. "
By Sonia López